Why Oly Doesn't Ultilise The 2X Crop Factor...???

[jmoh]

Hi Folks,

Was Out Birding With some friends Today, When one of them ask me That All Too familiar Question.....'' Why Doesn't Oly Comes out With A Long Tele Of Around 400 Or 500mm ( F/4 To F/5.6 ) ? ''. And They Know That Oly Lenses are good and That Oly Can, But Doesn't wants To. They were Puzzled as To Why Oly Didn't Take Advantage of The 2X Crop and Size Factor. They say that The 300mm F/2.8 Is a little Too Expensive and That a F/4 , 5.6, 400 or 500mm Lens From Oly Would be good enough.

Well, some may say that you can always add A TC20 To your 50-200. But Adding A TC20 Won't help Much, You're adding Glass, Dust and Weight To an Already Heavy Lens. And It's here That Oly Should Ultilise The Size and crop Factor To Full Use ( IMHO )!!! Oly Can Do It, But They feel That The Number Of Wildlife and Bird Photographers Has Or Already Own A Canikon Lens By Now. But then again The Number Is Growing By The Day as More and More People Are Enviromentally Conscious.

There are now about 1/2 Million Wildlife and Bird Photogs In The world Today and The Number Is Growing. Getting just a small slice Of The Pie Would Have Cover The Cost or even make money for Oly.....:rules:...;) Oly has The Tech and And Know How To Do It, But they feel That It's A Niche Market, and Leave It To Canikon To Capitalise On It......:grrrrrr::grrrrrr:

There Has Been Numerous Request From Oly Users around The world for it, and yet They are still Putting It aside, What a sad Move!.....:( Come on Oly! ..... Give us A Long Tele ( HG OR Standard Grade ) 400 F/4 ,500 F/5.6 Or A 200-500 Zoom Will Do.

And Finally The Sigma 50-500 ( Bigma ) and 135-400 ( Discontinued ) Won't do, Due To Their Soft Long End Issue.

So, Wake Up Oly!!!.....I Know You can Do it, You Have Been doing it since The '' OM '' and even Those '' PEN FT '' Days! ........All I Can say Is '' Just Do It '' .....:rofl:


My Opinion In Pics .......The Growing Amount of Wildlife, Nature and Bird Photogs araound The World.


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Look at The size and weight This Guy Have To Carry around...!!!


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And Not To Mention Those sports and Events Photogs around The Globe...!!!


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As Early as The 60's Oly Has already been Making some very long lenses for The '' PEN FT '' series...!!! And I Believe They are Gonna Do The Same To The New Micro 4/3 System.....Take A Look For yourself, That Was Way back In 1966!..... A 400,500 Mirror and 600 Lens Back Then For The '' PEN FT '' .....:grrrrrr:


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Just My Honest Opinion...:he::winktongue::D......Thanks Uncle James.

[brandoneu]

Once again, it boils down to the issue of affordability for the masses.

Of course, I don't deny the 300/2.8 or the 90-250 are not that cheap, but then again, lets look at our full frame counterparts.

Canon 400/2.8 L = USD 6,700
Canon 800/5.6 L = USD 10,900

Comparing their prices to the current 300 and 90-250 Zuiko lenses, I really think we have a bargain on our side.

[BTW, I reckon the 50-200 is not a heavy lens. Adding a 2.0x TC will only make the lens slower than it already is (aperture and focusing speed wise), plus image quality will suffer.]

Considering your requests for these lenses (400 F/4 ,500 F/5.6 ) I'm not that sure if thats the right way to go, because at such long focal lengths, higher ISO is necessary to freeze the action. We all know that the fourthirds sensor cannot compete with larger sensors (even the newest Nikon APS-C sensors on the D90 / D300s perform much better). In good light, perhaps f5.6 is not too bad, but when conditions become tougher, a slower aperture might not help much. Using iso 1000 and above may usable for personal use, but for professional use, I can't really see it happening.

I guess in the meantime, it is worthwhile to save up for the big guns (300, 90-250, 150), otherwise the sigma 50-500 would have to do (we can't be picky if our pockets aren't that deep, right ?). We can complain all we want, but for all we know, Oly may have already set a deadline to discontinue their 43rds lens production since Oly users are already so limited.

This hobby ain't easy mate. If we want to play with the best, we have to be prepared to pay for it.

Cheers.

[sammuel_chan]

I would put it this way,

Yes, I too, believe that making a good telephoto lens shouldn't be a problem for Olympus due to it's experience in the industry. and I do agree that there are alot of wildlife/bird photographers around the world. But i believe that the problem does not lie in there.

We understand the nature of DSLR market. As we are all aware, especially Uncle James, that a DSLR is not a mere camera and a lens, but also a system as a whole. The most important, most crucial moment is when a person enters into the system. The logic is that, once he is in, he's in. U see, the problem would dated back when Olympus had stop playing in the SLR market resulting alot of Professional users switching and also new Professionals entering the industry without any influence from Olympus. Canon and Nikon has been into the SLR as well as the DSLR market long enough, hence the strong customer groups and chances of professional groups are alot higher. As you can see in Uncle James' picture shown above.

Speaking of the types of users, he is where it really matters. To look at it, there are some factors to be considered, alot of DSLR buyers probably have no DSLR experience and wish to use the most anticipated brand names just to be safe. And here again, Olympus may fell short. Okay, certain percentage of photographers gone. Then the percentage of photographers who eventually chooses Olympus, and some percentage of buyers never really did went into it seriously. Why am I addressing this?

This brings back to the natural characteristic of wildlife/bird photography which requires a certain level of dedication to the hobby. Amature photographers wouldn't give a damn under the hot sun shooting a bird for the sake of shooting a bird. So another percentage of users gone.. what's left, seriously may not be enough to cover other operating cost.. Don't forget, there are some shareholders Olympus need to be kept happy.

perhaps, we should be thinking why Olympus came out a 300mm f2.8 at first and not a cheaper version of a long super-telephoto lens when they (i safely assume) know that the number of professional photographers who uses Olympus is far lesser comparing to other brands.

[mfahrur]

Yeah. Tell that about the weathersealing. Just look at Ken Watanabe and 7D!
Tell the world, they would buy.
A lot of rich professionals know about Olympus. I know about 4-5 of them, and they drive luxury cars.
Tell them about Oly, they would buy.
And I mean rich professionals, who are paying 26% taxes.

It's all about marketing.

Btw, there's an opening at Oly. Want to join them?

:D

[red]

Yeah. Tell that about the weathersealing. Just look at Ken Watanabe and 7D!
Tell the world, they would buy.
A lot of rich professionals know about Olympus. I know about 4-5 of them, and they drive luxury cars.
Tell them about Oly, they would buy.
And I mean rich professionals, who are paying 26% taxes.

It's all about marketing.

Btw, there's an opening at Oly. Want to join them?

:D

it is as a service techician because LKM got one fired last week?

[OSFlanker]

Yeah. Tell that about the weathersealing. Just look at Ken Watanabe and 7D!
Tell the world, they would buy.
A lot of rich professionals know about Olympus. I know about 4-5 of them, and they drive luxury cars.
Tell them about Oly, they would buy.
And I mean rich professionals, who are paying 26% taxes.

It's all about marketing.

Btw, there's an opening at Oly. Want to join them?

:D

Where is the opening? At Shenzhen????? :hurray:

[brandoneu]

technician not much use ler..

marketing manager.. kasi all skrew2 member 50 percent discount off RRP :rofl:

[mfahrur]

technician not much use ler..

marketing manager.. kasi all skrew2 member 50 percent discount off RRP :rofl:

it's for marketing la.:p

[zzlaloq]

it is as a service techician because LKM got one fired last week?

I would apply! (if can use the 300mm F2.8 everyday and daily testing of it every morning and late afternoon) :drunk:

[jmoh]

Once again, it boils down to the issue of affordability for the masses.

Of course, I don't deny the 300/2.8 or the 90-250 are not that cheap, but then again, lets look at our full frame counterparts.

Canon 400/2.8 L = USD 6,700
Canon 800/5.6 L = USD 10,900

Comparing their prices to the current 300 and 90-250 Zuiko lenses, I really think we have a bargain on our side.

[BTW, I reckon the 50-200 is not a heavy lens. Adding a 2.0x TC will only make the lens slower than it already is (aperture and focusing speed wise), plus image quality will suffer.]

Considering your requests for these lenses (400 F/4 ,500 F/5.6 ) I'm not that sure if thats the right way to go, because at such long focal lengths, higher ISO is necessary to freeze the action. We all know that the fourthirds sensor cannot compete with larger sensors (even the newest Nikon APS-C sensors on the D90 / D300s perform much better). In good light, perhaps f5.6 is not too bad, but when conditions become tougher, a slower aperture might not help much. Using iso 1000 and above may usable for personal use, but for professional use, I can't really see it happening.

I guess in the meantime, it is worthwhile to save up for the big guns (300, 90-250, 150), otherwise the sigma 50-500 would have to do (we can't be picky if our pockets aren't that deep, right ?). We can complain all we want, but for all we know, Oly may have already set a deadline to discontinue their 43rds lens production since Oly users are already so limited.

This hobby ain't easy mate. If we want to play with the best, we have to be prepared to pay for it.

Cheers.


Hi Brandon,

First of All, I Am talking about lenses That are Average In Cost And Brightness, and Not those F/2.8 or Larger lenses. How many Average guys Like us can afford A 20 To 30k Lens...??? My Target Are Those lenses with A F/4 To F/ 5.6 Apeture and Filter size of around 67 To 72mm. Zoom would be good and If possible, Just Plain prime with An Apeture of F/4 To F/5.6 even better!....Every other third Party Lens Mfg are doing it, why Oly Doesn't Do it is a Mystery To Me. I am Taking about Those 100-400, 80-400 or just 400 f/ 5.6 prime like those Made by sigma , Hoya and Tamron Back In The Film Days.

Lenses Ranging from 100 to 500mm zoom are selling very well, and it gives The Buyer a Bang For The Buck! As for Prime, How about something like The Old sigma 400/500mmm F/5.6 Apo lens? It was Cheap Then and The Performance and I.Q. Was Quite Good.

Those F/2.8 or larger lenses are good, But So Is The Price! One can easily Buy A Used Viva Or Kanchil With It....So, no point In Comparing those Marque Lenses That cost Bomb In The First Place. Not Those US 6K Plus lenses, For that I Might as well Buy The Zuiko 300mmm 2.8, Right...???

Here Below Is What I am Referring To, and What I Wish Oly Should Be Doing !


The Canon 100-400mm F/4- F/ 5.6 L Lens......One of The Best Seller In The World For It's Range.....And It cost Around US$ 1,610 ( RM 5.5K ). And It's The Reason Why So Many Birders and Wildlife Photographers Go '' Canon '' ...!!!.....:lol:

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The Nikon 80-400mmm VR F/4.5/ 5.6 ED, Which cost Only US$ 1,649 ( RM 6K ).

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Or Just Rebadge The SIGMA 150-500mm US$ 999 ( 3.8K ) To An Oly One as With The 70-300 And Add A Circular Iris!

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Better Still, Remake One Of This Sharp 400/500MMM F/5.6 Prime Lenses For Around RM 3K....I Bought Mine Back Then For RM 1.2K !


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Yeah!.... Who Doesn't Want A 300mm F/2.8, Only trouble Is, It Will Cleaned Up All Those Digit In Your Bank A/C Book. And You will Be doing Overtime For The Next Five Years or so .....:banghead:...:eck13:....:spank: Ha, Ha :lol:

Just My 2 Sen and A Last Plea To Oly For It, Or else '' I Will Be Taking The Next LRT Home, Since The Bus Is Late As Usual '' .........Uncle James.

[red]

i agree that oly should have something like 100-400mm f4-5.6 at around 4k. that should be a bomb.

[brandoneu]

i agree that oly should have something like 100-400mm f4-5.6 at around 4k. that should be a bomb.
I was thinking of a constant f4 aperture lens. Anyways, at 800mm at f5.6, U'd better have very steady hands, or use a monopod (which i'm sure most bird shooters would do anyway).

[red]

I was thinking of a constant f4 aperture lens. Anyways, at 800mm at f5.6, U'd better have very steady hands, or use a monopod (which i'm sure most bird shooters would do anyway).

i was thinking of f4 constant too but then none of the HG zuiko is. if it's a SHG, it'll cost a bomb.

still, it'll be a tad faster than slapping ec20 on a 50-200.

[zzlaloq]

:iagree: 200-800mm (35mm equivalent) F4 walkabout lens would be my choice..

[brandoneu]

:iagree: 200-800mm (35mm equivalent) F4 walkabout lens would be my choice..
there's a sigma 300-800/5.6, and it costs 10 grand USD. Oh.. i haven't even included the crop factor!

[mfahrur]

OK, let's do Oly sanity check.

for starters, there's 70-300/4-5.6 for RM1.2k
next 50-200/2.8-3.5 for RM3.5k
next 70-280/4-4.9 for RM5.2k (EC-14 is +RM1.7k)
¤¤ GAP ¤¤
next 70-200/4 for RM9.7k (EC-20)
next 210/2.8 for RM9.7k
next 300/4 for RM9.7k (EC-20)
¤¤ GAP ¤¤
next 90-250/2.8 for RM18k
next 125-350/4 for RM19.7k (EC-14)
next 180-500/5.6 for RM19.7k (EC-20)

So, we are looking at the RM7k & RM13k range.

For the RM7k, possible 100-400/4-5.6 because of the range & size.

For the RM13k, it is very tricky. because 300/4 is only RM9.7k. possible 100-400/2.8-4 or 200/2 or 250/2.8 or 400/4.

because the DZ are so good, we can use EC-14/20 without worries. Actually, the DZ cover a lot of range already.

[sammuel_chan]

For Uncle James :D (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Opteka-Telephoto-Olympus-Digital-Cameras/dp/B00281MBDI/ref=sr_1_388?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1259199257&sr=1-388)

[jmoh]

For Uncle James :D (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Opteka-Telephoto-Olympus-Digital-Cameras/dp/B00281MBDI/ref=sr_1_388?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1259199257&sr=1-388)

Hi sam,
Thanks for The suggestion, And By The Way I Have Been Playing with Those Mirror stuffs Since 1970's.....And Still Own A 500mm Mirror In Prestine Condition For The Oly 4/3 Mount. It's A better Version and Made In Japan, It's A Soligor 500mm.

Here's The Pic :


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Thanks For The Suggestion ......Uncle James.

[blu_by_u]

....Made In Japan, It's A Soligor 500mm......
How is it this looks so familiar??

[jmoh]

How is it this looks so familiar??

Hi Blu,

That was Once yours What!....:duh:....Anyway I am using It For Astro And Bird's Viewing Only....Not very Viable For Digital format and Camera's Without IS!........:lol:.......Thanks Uncle James.

[blu_by_u]

Should I shop around for 1for my new camera? My new cam comes with IS and 12Mp.